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Poster: RiverRat1492 Date: May 2, 2011 5:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Concert Folks

Greetings,
Saturday, I went and saw DSO at McCarter Theater here in NJ. Had a pretty good time. Not typical DSO show, had their own setlist. Local paper said it was going to be from Filmore, '71, but when they broke out It Takes a lot to Laugh...To Cry, I knew something was up. Anyway, people watching there was great. Had kids that got dropped off by their parents to adults old enough to be my parents and from all walks of life, races, etc. That was nice, BUT...Seeing some of these folks in action made me think of the posts about the GD Movie in theaters. There were people talking through the whole show, never stood up, some who played on their cell phones, people who I couldn't understand why they were there. Then there were the people a couple rows back different times that yelled "Sugar Magnolia" and "China Cat Sunflower!" Good grief, if you're going to yell that out you might as well go with "France!" But probably my favorite was after the start of the second set, Help->Slip->Attics. Even Mr. Blackberry was standing, as Slipknot was winding down, and they went into Attics, the girl behind me yelled to her friend "whats this song?" Ouch, then the clincher "what ALBUM was it on?"
It was a big disappointment as everything. From the first couple notes of Help, music the crowd, all seemed to be getting louder, and when they shifted, and when it wasn't into Franklin's, they missed a gear. I never saw more rear ends go back into their seats.
All that aside and already long story short, what are some of your experiences with your fellow concert goers?
Oh, and don't worry, as nice is McCarter is (remember its in Princeton) atleast 2 people lit up and they weren't smoking tobacco...

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Poster: CharlieMiller Date: May 2, 2011 8:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

The fillmore 71 show was the day before.

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Poster: RiverRat1492 Date: May 3, 2011 6:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

Hey Charlie,
Maybe thats why they played their own setlist. I was hoping they would play the one GD played when they played at Dillon Gym 40 years ago. Originally, they was supposed to play at McCarter (where I saw DSO) but university folks realized the 1300 seat McCarter was too small, so they went across the street to Dillon, for their only appearance at Princeton U.Oh well.

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Poster: staggerleib Date: May 3, 2011 4:04am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

I see two questions here.

1st - when did you stop seeing the Dead? I stopped also in 92, as at Soldier Field the displeasure at the crowd finally outweighed the music. I also went back for 94 at Soldier, simply because I wanted to see Traffic. That was bizarre. Traffic was awesome, but of the 60k+ people that came for the Dead, only maybe 3000 were in the stadium to see Traffic. That was a very telling detail as any. Traffic! Goddamnit, who is it that loves music would skip that after having paid their fare?

2nd- Other shows, not just Dead or related. And for the most part I've given up on concerts. While I still love the spontaneity of the live music, the crowds are a mess for me. I did see Mark Knopfler recently, and he was amazing, though the crowd was like me, respectful, and, well, older. I also have the Ravinia festival near my home, so that I can see some bands in a very relaxed atmosphere, with no expectation. There is a lot of talking, and a lot of meals, wine, etc, as it's designed for the picnic type environment. It's encouraged. I've no problem with that either, though it can be tough during a James Taylor show, to want to hear him, and to hear instead some obnoxious chat, it's a given and an expected.

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Poster: ringolevio Date: May 3, 2011 4:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

The problem is multi-tasking. We're all too good at it. These people who chat (putting it politely) and interact with their electronic devices at concerts are just expert multi-taskers like we're all supposed to be to keep our heads above water at work, and elsewhere.

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Poster: adks12020 Date: May 3, 2011 6:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

I do think the multi-tasking idea (which is false. studies show people are not nearly as successful at it as they think) has created a country full of people with attention deficit disorder though..not "I need ritalin" ADD, just "I need to put down the damn smart phone" ADD. I know when I leave mine at home I am much more calm and relaxed.

As far as concerts go I agree with the original point 100%. It drives me nuts when I go to a show and people are talking and playing on their cell phones the whole time. I always want to say to people, "Even if you can't handle doing one thing at a time (ie. watching a concert and listening intently) there are people there that paid good money to do just that...so show some respect for the rest of us...and for the artist on stage"

I love live music. It's probably one of my favorite past times. It calms me down and makes me happier than almost anything else (with maybe the exception of the wilderness)especially when I can close my eyes and get lost in it..unfortunately that's harder to do with cell phones and obnoxious people. I'm only 29 and it's gotten way worse since I was a teenager.

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: May 4, 2011 7:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

I think you were lucky those people stayed outside for the Traffic set , all they would have done s is yapped anyway ...
Sadly , I think for many of our concert goers, it is JUST a party . True "party" is a big part of it, but I don't think I am being too prissy to think that MUSIC is part of it too . With the GD, as time went on more and more folks seemed to hear only the uptempo tunes, and many of the other aspects of this amazing band, seemed to "go over their head (heart?)". Why do you have to clap along in Morning Dew, (big celebration, nuclear war !), and talk when it gets the least quiet . Could go on , and on .
There is a time to scream and yell with the music, and a time to shut up and listen . I just wish people were more sensitive ( respectful ) to the actual music being played .

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Poster: stratocaster Date: May 2, 2011 6:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

Three most memorable

3. Asshole screaming so loud next to me during a rat dog show that I told him calmly to knock it off...he took it the wrong way and wanted to start a fight, but right at that moment an usher busted him for not having the right ticket...

2. 07-02-1995, need I say more?

1. Vegas dead show, I was up pretty close, there were three of them prettiest girls I've seen at a dead show (must have been showgirls), anyhew, it was a hot day and they were wearing bikini tops with Jean shorts, the best looking and most endowed of the three decided to shed her top during china>rider, she had it off for only about five or six minutes but it was glorious...our very own sunshine daydream veneta moment...

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Poster: reviewr Date: May 2, 2011 7:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

Your mention of " some who played on their cell phones" really gets to me. Is there a name for this disease? Can nobody be where they are any more?
Also, I was at a Dylan show a couple of years ago, and some people next to me talked constantly. The people behind them politely asked them to be quiet. The "talkers" basicly said F-off. Why are they there?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffbeep* Date: May 2, 2011 6:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

I know exactly what you're saying. It's gotten worse and worse over the years. Maybe people think they can do anything they want after paying big money but that just kills it for me. In my younger days you went to hear the music, not to listen to people competing with the music. It takes a lot to get me to a show these days. The last show I went to was in 2006 to see Dave Gilmour and Richard Wright at the Oakland Paramount. Great performance. Most folks were respectful but there was a contingent of "talkers" that I could not for the life of me figure out why they were there. Even going to classical concerts is iffy these days with cellphones going off and babies erupting. Some people just have way too much attitude these days.
They should be more.....grateful.
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Poster: Leonard Liotta Instructor English Date: May 5, 2011 10:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

I fully agree--my last concert was PLQ at Sunrise and at all the quiet moments, people just didn't shut up; it begs the question, whay are they there.

Butch Trucks whose said that there is music for dancing and music to sit and savor---people standing in front of me all night, even during a song like Melissa, make me pause.
In 1995 I was at Lakewood in Atlanta, taping the show, and three guys behind me didn't want to make the joury to the men's room, so they relieved themselves in back of my chair--OK, the slanted seating allowed for the excretion to flow down and all over my rig!

Also at concerts, people screaming out second set songs shows, not only stupidity of people, but is recorded for all time on tape. The best was multiple ABB concerts with PLQ, people screaming, when the ABB took the stage: Whipping Post!!!!!!

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: May 2, 2011 6:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

my last GD show was in '92, Charlotte, and with the exception of 2 shows since then (which i only went to at the request of a close friend), every show i've seen has been in small venues/clubs/bars; the Paradise in Boston would have been the largest, but the norm was far smaller than that; dealing with corporate venues, livenation, ticketmaster, staggering costs for tickets and drinks, i was done with that crap

however, i do hear what you are saying about the chatters/smart-phone-crowd/idiots, etc., and you'll get those at any size venue, although, i have found there are exceptions, and it generally has to do with the performing artist; the fact is, there are a (too small) number of artists that draw a more appreciative, music-loving crowd, where the noise from the audience is more 'with' the show than 'against' it; for example, i went to see Steve Wynn last year in Boston and during the show, people were riveted to the music and the performers and it made for a great evening, to witness a true professional in front of a respectful crowd, and in a bar/club no less!!

one of my frustrations with a number of Yarn recordings here on the Archive is the number of talkers/chatters/idiots in the crowd, which too much detracts from the music, but people will do what they want, it's rather a rule of thumb i suppose

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Poster: snow_and_rain Date: May 3, 2011 6:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

People talking during a performance of one of the leading Grateful Dead cover bands?! Is nothing sacred?

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: May 3, 2011 12:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

For some reason I seem to attract the one drunken asshat in the crowd who likes to stand and yell indecipherable babblings at the band along the lines of "You guys freakin rock" as they are tuning between songs, or holler for the name of a song they just played. Most experiences are really good ones. FloydFest (yes, another shameless plug) is 4 days of a superb human experience. Even the new era hippie chicks with braided leg hair........

There have only two negative experiences that chapped my ass - and one was more humorous than not. #1 was at a Widespread Panic show in Portsmouth, VA - my son and I were on the rail watching David Schools on the bass when this kid behind us starts smoking crack and blowing the smoke on my son's back. It annoyed the shit out of everyone around us but nobody did much except frown at him. My son turned and politely asked him to stop blowing the smoke on him and the kid popped back with something along the lines of "Fuck off, what are you going to do about it, I have three friends with me." As I turned to ask him how confident he was about the odds suddenly changing from 4:1 to 2:1, three guys in the crowd around us grabbed his three friends. The kid steps into my son's face and all of a sudden went flying backwards as my son delivered a perfectly place strike to his xiphoid process with a Muay Thai front kick. Down he went - and as quickly as it started it ended with his friends dragging him away hollering at him for being an idiot.

#2 was kind of funny - I was at a String Cheese Incident show in Roanoke with my daughter. We were working away up to the front when some guy pushes in front of me and gets between me and my daughter. I tapped him on the shoulder and said excuse me - he turns his head and gives me some smart-assed comment about going up to stand next to his girlfriend and points to my daughter. (You just can't make this stuff up). I laughed, called her name, she turned around and I asked her when she was going to introduce me to her boyfriend. She looked at him and and said (in that patently female derisive way) "Him!?!?! Ewwwwwwww." He took his battered ego and slinked off into the crowd.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: May 3, 2011 8:46am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

All the replies are on target - the noise and distraction are reasons I rarely even go out to a movie - the experience is ruined by rude people. When I go to a concert at Carnegie Hall, Avery Fisher or the Met, the place is dead quiet during performance - no surprise there, an older, more respectful crowd who paid top dollar for their tickets.

I'm heading for the GD movie in Manhattan this Thursday - we'll see how this crowd is.

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Poster: Hashjihad Date: May 3, 2011 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Concert Folks

Just move... I have definitely had some annoying people near me, but I just walk away. Also I go to the front nearly every time, and sound is usually so loud that someone talking next to is barely a whisper.

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